Wednesday, April 18, 2012

An Interview with Dr. Hatice Ozturk

Ryan and Tim decided to interview Teaching Associate Professor of ECE at NCSU Dr. Hatice Ozturk for her opinions on women in STEM. Since both Ryan and Tim are ECE students, we saw this opportunity fitting. The ECE department has a low percentage of females in both faculty and students, which is appropriate and directly related to many of this class' topics. Dr. Ozturk is a co-author/contributor of the textbook: Women, Science, and Technology: A Reader in Feminist Studies.

The interview began with Dr. Ozturk posing a few questions for us in relation to the statistics of gender distribution in the ECE department. She mentioned that of ECE students at NCSU there is a 6% female population and a less than 10% female population for tenure track female professors. This is easy for us to believe as we witness it every day in our classes, but students outside engineering may be shocked at how low the actual numbers are. The natural question after absorbing these statistics is: why? Dr. Ozturk’s explanation began with a comparison to biomedical engineering majors (where Dr. Ozturk is currently a teaching associate professor), where the male/female ratio of students is 50/50. She says this is because biomedical engineers interface their products to people, whereas electrical/computer engineers interface their products one layer below, to signals and circuits. The latter is much harder to relate to and practically has no face, which indeed follows in line with general ECE course material of abstract and imaginary math.

Our first real interview-like question to her (after her brief interview of us!) was in relation to Carol Cohn’s article Sex and Death in the Rational World of Defense Intellectuals. Cohn is intrigued by the language that is used by the men there, and defines it with the term: “strategic discourse”. The heavy use of analogies and word exclusions are the driving factors. We asked if she has been exposed to the same type of language, including any negativity towards women, exchanged in the male dominated ECE field and her response was short and sweet:

“It is the absence of being included in the language not the negativity, and this has the same effect as negativity.”

The next question, piggy backing on the above, was in relation to the discourse used in the technical textbooks in the ECE field, specifically the ECE220 (Analytical Foundations of Electrical and Computer Engineering) textbook. All three of us understand these books are heavily technical with little room for banter, but Dr. Ozturk pointed out that even the subtle jokes and references related to male centered activities such as drinking beer.

Dr. Ozturk actually had a stack of books in the corner of her office, sent from numerous publishers to review / consider for courses at NCSU. She said that one of the books had a quotation on every page, and the only quotation by a female in the entire book was by an actress about spaghetti! She mentioned she had sent this publisher a note with her opinion. She also made the point that all of the books have been dedicated to their wives but yet you never see a book written by a female dedicated to her husband.

Dr. Ozturk’s husband is also a professor of Electrical Engineering at North Carolina State University. We asked her if she noticed any differences of how students treat her versus how students treat her husband. She said that one small common detail she notices is that many students refer to her as “Mrs” instead of “Dr.” She assumes the reason behind this is that her students look at her as a motherly figure.
When asked about role models, Dr. Ozturk mentioned a high school physics teacher she had while growing up in Turkey.  She noted that this teacher was free spirited and did not let small things in life get her down. The teacher drove a Volkswagen Bug and enjoyed the simple things in life. Dr. Ozturk made the point that women especially in Turkey fall into the gender stereotypes, as the country is predominantly Muslim. Dr. Ozturk’s story can be related back to Evelyn Fox Keller’s The Anomaly of a Woman in Physics, where Keller states:

“I was totally dependent on my (male) teachers for affirmation – a dependency made treacherous by chronic confusion of sexuality and intellect in relationships between male teachers and female students”

From understanding this passage, it is extremely inspirational in a career to have someone to look up to. Especially in a field such as electrical engineering which is dominated by males. It makes us happy to know that Dr. Ozturk was lucky enough to find an idol of the same gender, and that she can provide the same for students at NCSU.

Overall, it was very inspirational talking to Dr. Ozturk about her views and experiences in the field of women and science.  In her career as an Associate Professor at North Carolina State University, she strives to help people and make NC State a better place. These small details that she mentioned were eye opening for us. After being actively enrolled in the ECE department for four years now, we must say that our awareness has increased at least ten fold in tandem with respect. 

1 comment:

  1. I find the disparity between proportions of females in ECE vs biomedical engineering to be quite intriguing. This goes to show that the content and difficulty of the coursework is not the predominant reason for less female involvement. I was relieved to see this conclusion, seeing as how an inferior intelligence argument is fuel to any patriarchal fire. The idea that biomedical engineers interface their products to people and this is the reasoning behind female involvement is fascinating. I am caused to wonder whether or not the desire of women to fulfill this caretaker roll is innate to our maternal instincts or, on the other hand, is societally constructed and an expected type of emotional response. Do women actually want to be biomedical engineers because it is easier to see the immediate impacts on a person-centered level? The desire for women, in general, to directly assist humanity is an interesting topic for a nature vs nurture argument.

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